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Heyoka Interview - 2006
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LOOKING
BACK WOMAN
PART
1.
The
Cannunpa
Wakan
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Looking Back Woman.
Second from left. John Fire Lame Deer. Right
John
LeKay. Can you please tell me about your recollection of
John Fire Lame Deer?
Looking Back
Woman: Here we go. This is from the Northwest Indian
News March 1974...... Dedication of Indian Lands at Ft.
Lawton:
Long ago at
the beginning of creation the Great Spirit blessed this
land. What we do today is to lay the foundation of the
Great Spirit on this land until the earth crumbles.
With those words, Lame Deer, Lakota Holy Man and author of
"Lame Deer--Seeker of Visions" consecrated the
Indian land at Discovery Park in the sacred Lakota manner.
With tremendous wisdom, humor and dignity, Lame Deer
seemed to uplift the hearts of the almost 100 Indians
and non-Indians who were present to a world far beyond the
man-made world of steel & concrete.
For 32 years,
I have been praying to the Great Spirit for all
humanity. If you pray to our Creator for thirty days,
you will also begin receiving a vision for your life as I
received 32 yrs. ago...... My favorite man in the Bible
was Adam. You know, he didn't have a mother-in-law.... I
love you all. In return don't love me. I'm a hell of a
looking guy, but love the Great Spirit who I
represent.
John
Fire Lame Deer . Author of Lame Deer, Seeker of
visions
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After
honoring the seven cardinal directions, Lame
Deer turned towards Seattle and said,
"Noise, noise, noise. Too much TV, radio,
and man-made stuff." Then turning
towards the west, towards a small grove of bare
trees on the Indian land, he said "The
Great Spirit is on that side. Take your bedroll
and sleep for a night among those trees. You
will hear the Great Spirit speaking in the ways
of the Spirit."
Concluding
the ceremony which took place on Saturday,
February 16th, 1974, the 70 year old Lame Deer
said, "My last words to you are this. Be
happy. This life passes very quickly. Turn to
your brothers around you with a smile and reach
out and shake their hand." With this, Lame
Deer smiled and walked through the crowd that
was present, shaking everyone's hand.
After
the ceremony a potluck dinner was shared in the
old Indian way by all of those present, Indian
and non-Indian. The spirit of unity seemed to
echo Lame Deer's own words: "We all must
work together, both white and Indian, for we are
all the children of the same Great Spirit.
The
event was sponsored by the United Indians of All
Tribes Foundation. Written by Phil Lane Jr.
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John
LeKay: What is the Sacred Hoop?
Looking
Back Woman: The Sacred Hoop is the Circle of
Life...continuance.......the fire without end.
And, at the Center is the Cannunpa Wakan, and
the teachings. This is what it means to me....my
Father was given the Cannunpa to carry because
he had the proper vision in 1970, told Fools
Crow, and that vision was to rebuild the Hoop of
Life for all living things upon Mother
Earth....this is the destiny of this Cannunpa,
because of the lightening bolts at the feet of
the buffalo on the bowl.....purification of
evil, is what David Swallow Jr. said about
lightening....and the thunderbeings.
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Martha
Bad Warrior, Last blood line keeper of the sacred
pipe. Black Elks daughter.
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JL:
Can you please tell me about the C'anupa Wakan,
(sacred pipe) and what significance this pipe
holds for the Lakota people?
LBW.
See what Martha
Bad Warrior had
to say about the Cannunpa in from this rare book
by Wilbur Riegert. The Quest For The Sacred
Pipe. You will really like this.
JL: Davis
swallow said this about the Cannunpa:
"That
it is not a pipe. A pipe is an English word that
means many things. The Cannunpa
is
the blood of the ancestors and the tree of life,
and it has laws by which a person must live.
To load a Cannunpa,
a person must not kill, must not have blood on
their hands. The person must not have jealousy
or hate in their heart or actions and a person
must never lie or fool the people or else the
Cannunpa will
turn around on that person".
JL: What are your thoughts on this?
LBW:
This is the way I've heard it. This is why Fools
Crow did not want It carried by someone within
the militant group, why he got It off reserve,
(by my Father having the proper vision to carry
It).....and for good reason, look at Wounded
Knee 1973, AIM burned all this information on
Martha Bad Warrior at the Museum, and the
records in DC. on the Trail Of Broken Treaties
about this part of our Spiritual history, it is
my belief.....it was to change history.
My
question has always been why would the Lakota
burn their own history, if our ancestors are so
dear.....especially Martha! Why would this be
tolerated? Richard Two Elk's interview, as a
former AIM member is an eyeopener.....and he
also talks about Anna Mae Aquash's murder. The
interview is easy to access from my site, if
you'd like to read it for yourself.....
JL:.
John Fire Lame Deer said: "Besides the
Ptechincala Huhu Canunpa this family also kept a
second, very sacred tribal pipe, one among the
first made from red pipe stone. The way
the white buffalo woman had taught the people.
This old pipe served as a model for after which
all the other pipes are made. It has the feather
of a red eagle tied to its handle. This brings
to mind the eagle who rescued the only survivor
from the flood, who gave birth to twins who, in
turn, grew into the Sioux nation. It also
reminds us, the eagle of s symbol of wisdom,
almost as important to us as the Buffalo.
Therefore many of our medicine men therefore
have a eagle feather tied to their pipes."
JL: Is this the pipe described by John
Fire Lame Deer, the pipe you are the keeper of?
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LBW:
That is my understanding. I had the Keepers from
Pipestone, Minnesota come all the way out to the
West Coast to see what I carry, as they had
information that corresponded with my
information.....Riegert and Standing Eagle
played a huge part in saving the true history of
our Lakota Spiritual history.
JL:
So then. Arvol Looking Horse, the other sacred
pipe keeper, has the deteriorating calf pipe,
made from the bone of the buffalo leg, eagle
feather, 4 scalps and ear, etc, etc.
You have the red stone pipe described by John
fire Lame Deer. Is this the same pipe as the one
described by Martha Bad Warrior, with the
engravings of a white buffalo head, turtle and
the spider?
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- Chief
Arvol Looking Horse of
the Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota Nation.
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Black
Elk. Author of Black Elk speaks
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LBW:
All I know for sure is, his grandmother Lucy
Looking Horse never was passed the Cannunpa.
Martha Bad Warrior had Riegert witness as the
Sacred Buffao Calf Pipe...it was the first one
White Buffalo Calf Pipe Woman taught the Chiefs
to make...
What
I have is what Fools Crow had. George
Bryant/Standing Eagle make a copy (from the one
I have), then he made a template that the
14 for the Seven Council Fires were made from.
Then, what I carry was returned to Standing
Eagle and It was repaired by cutting the bowl
from the standing buffalo, then making the bowl
replaceable....It was to be used in large
ceremony, where many people smoke at one
time...it is easy for the bowl to crack from the
heat. But, it is like taking communion, and no
one should be refused. This was to ensure this
piece of the Cannunpa, the lightening bolts at
the feet of the standing buffalo, would remain
with us for all time....to be used for the good
of all mankind. That is why White Buffalo Calf
Pipe Woman taught us to make them from catlinite.....she
knew what she brought us would deteriorate over
time....
Now
what happened to Martha's Cannunpa remains a
mystery.....it was passed to Andrew Dupris and
his wife, as Wilbur let them use his car to
fetch It from Green Grass in 1936....Andrew was
passing it to a spiritual man of the
Lakota...which would be Fools Crow under the
guidance of his father....my personal thoughts
on this are, Fools Crow took It to Canada to
return the Cannunpa to the Council Stones of the
Seven Council Fires at Turtle
Mountain.....Manitoba....and for some reason
could not retrieve It....from this point, the
description changed to the design I carry,
(Black Elk Speaks came out about this time) and
the ones Standing Eagle carved for Fools Crow
via Riegert to Standing Eagle.....there is proof
at Pipestone these two men had more contact than
previously thought, and eyewitness accounts from
the Sioux Valley Sioux that Fools Crow was there
with the Cannunpa I carry.
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Medicine
men Frank Fools Crow and John Fire Lame Deer at
the sun dance.
© Looking Back Woman
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JL:
Does the common Lakota people man or
woman have a right to ask or see this Cannunpa
or is this against the Lakota religion and
traditions to enquire about these sacred
things?
LBW:
Martha stated It was for the good of all
mankind.....which to me means all are welcome
to participate in praying with the Cannunpa....which
would mean they would see and touch It to
smoke It, eh? This is completely different
than what is being taught today......when
things are secret, they are easily
manipulated.
- JL:
Do you know of anyone who has seen
Arvol Looking Horse's Canunpa or has
photographed it recently?
LBW:
Martha allowed Riegert to photograph It,
when she gave him the interview....he
showed Lucy Looking Horse the photo
after Martha died, and even though it
clearly was her also in the photo with her
Mother, Martha and the Cannunpa...Riegert
said Lucy denied being there. Riegert,
knowing Andrew had the Canunpa passed to
him, asked Lucy to see the Cannunpa, and
you have to remember this is 1936, she
asked for a hundred dollars for him to see
the Cannunpa. He asked if It had the
Spider,Turtle, Buffalo designs on It, she
said no...they had another Cannunpa now
for Ceremony. This is in Riegerts book....
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Calvin
Dupree holds pipe, (Looking back woman's
father) at the sun dance.
© Looking Back Woman
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- JL:
Do you know if Martha Bad Warrior ever
buried the old Canunapa, that was
described as a foot long and deteriorating
and made out of
the buffalos left leg and the ankle bone
bowel, 4 scalps, ear etc, that John Fire
Lame Deer smoked in the shed with Martha?
- LBW:
My understanding is that is the legbone
Cannunpa Martha buried at the same time
she passed the Cannunpa to Andrew.....it
was the one Fools Crow speaks about
seeing.......
James
Ritchie, archivist from Turtle Mountain
researched eyewitness accounts of the Cannunpa,
and no one has seen it in the possession of
the Looking Horse family, only mention is in
Lakota Woman, the book by Mary Crow Dog,
Leonard's (wife?) who wrote about some of the
goings on during this time....I consider the
source, as Leonard tried to get me to pay him
10,000 to come do ceremony for me...and I
never requested a ceremony, or ever contacted
him, he got in touch with me....he did not
know who I was, and treated me like one of
those newager groupie girls, they were getting
to pay big bucks for them to come do
ceremony/healings.
Leonard
Crow Dog had lobbied Fools Crow to carry what
was passed to my Father...stating it should be
a full blood, not a half breed......however,
it was my Father's commitment to his people,
he was a professor of Native Studies at the U
of Lethbridge, and he had the proper vision to
carry the Cannunpa in 1970....and Fools Crow
wanted It off reserve...but still available to
him...and my Father always took It to Fools
Crow when he needed it. There was a lot of
traffic between Alberta and South Dakota
during this time....my Father even got beaten
up in Sheridan, Wyoming...and was really hurt
because he said it was a couple of the AIM
guys he danced with between 1970-1975.....
Fools
Crow refused Crow Dog because he did not want
the militant faction to control our spiritual
legacy....he saw the sickness....and he saw
the future of what would happen...he did his
best to prevent it by conducting those WBCPC
& Sun Dances 1970-1975...and passing the
"Staff of Power" back to the women,
but the men refused to recognize the
transfer.....and now they are our spiritual
elders.
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JL:
When you speak of fools crow and your father not
wanting the militant factor to control the
Lakota spiritual legacy. He saw the sickness and
the future. What did he mean by sickness?
LBW:
The abused became the abusers....Fools Crow saw
them burn their own spiritual history at Wounded
Knee, D.C. and eventually his & Katie's own
home was burned in 1973 also, it was in
retaliation for not allowing AIM to control the
Cannunpa....Fools Crow lost most of his regalia,
and I am sure his special medicines he used to
heal.....He and Katie were gone at the
time.....good reading into the mind of Fools
Crow is by Thomas E. Mails, he wrote two books
on Fools Crow....and the Hopi Prophecies.
I
say these things because I knew these men, I saw
what they did during these times.....I was
ground zero, even though I was not right there
in South Dakota, (AIM stayed with me on the
Trail of Broken Treaties fall of 1972 on their
way to D.C in Spokane)......had I been there,
with the strength I have about being a woman,
being equal to a man.....I'd have ended up like
Anna Mae (who was found murdered in 1976 on the
Pine Ridge Indian Reservation and became a
martyr for American Indian civil rights).....as
it was,
these
people
should
never have entered the arbor the following year,
dancing again with my Father, during this series
of Ceremonies Fools Crow conducted. You are to
have lived a good life, not lying, cheating,
stealing, or taking life......to dance, and this
clearly was not the case with these guys. I have
an interview with a former follower of Crow
Dog, she tells me, when the Cannunpa was dug up,
and Fools Crow sent someone to Crow Dog's
paradise for them to come over to view it, none
felt they were worthy....and they stayed away. I
have the letter somewhere, I can share it with
you......
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- Anna
May Aquash was
a Mi'kmaq
activist from Nova
Scotia,
Canada
who became one of the most active and
prominent female members of the American
Indian Movement
(AIM) during the early 1970s.
She was found murdered in 1976 on the Pine
Ridge Indian Reservation
and became a martyr
for American
Indian
civil
rights.
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- JL:
How did your own path come about of being
the keeper?
LBW:
I believe it was a path for me to
follow.....I'll explain, after Father
died....I had the Cannunpa up on top of a
freestanding wardrobe overlooking the
lake.....out of the bundle....It said it was
tired of being wrapped up...so I set It on
top to oversee all the goings on over
Kootenay Lake looking at the grandfather
clouds....and the eagles that hunted the
Kokanee landlocked salmon. Well, one day It
jumped off...I had It secured, but It wanted
to be moved. I moved her downstairs on my
desk..still overlooking the lake. A few days
later, I had a visitor, his name was Dan. He
came in to sell me advertisement space in
his tourist guide of things to do in the
Kootenays...when he saw the Cannunpa on my
desk. He said, "My friend James Ritchie
would be very interested in seeing that...he
is an archivist from Turtle Mountain."
Well, he had James call me, and we spoke
many times about Bill Moncur, a white
guy...that was given the Council Stones to
protect by the Lakota, and made hunka.....James
could not get him to reveal the whereabouts
of the Stones....Bill was 90+, and was
beginning to fail....
I
asked James, have you offered him tobacco? I
said the holies would have taught him our
customs...they had made him hunka! For an Elder
to share with you, you need to pass him
tobacco...it is a sign of respect, and
understanding of the ways. So, James goes back
to Bill Moncur...hands him tobacco...and he
tells James everything...including the location
of the Stones...concreted into a wall in his
driveway....
In
2002, I put the Cannunpa and the Council Stones
together again after nearly a hundred
years....and from there we have learned a lot
about how it all ties together.....
James
has played a major part as historian/archivist
in recording my family history, and how the
family ties into the White Buffalo Calf
Prophesy....he has a file a foot thick after all
these years, and much has come to pass, that I
shared with James early on. He has it all
recorded, and Turtle Mountain in Manitoba, on
the 49th parrel, on the medicine line...is
a vortex, that is why there were the medicine
wheels there upon the heritage landscape. That
is what the cone designs on the Cannunpa
bags/bundles mean..."What is in the heavens
is here on earth, and what's here on earth is in
the heavens." This is where Fools Crow went
when he tried to rebuild the Seven Council Fires
by having those 14 Cannunpas made by Standing
Eagle....and without the signature of Standing
Eagle, we would not have had anything to bring
us full circle to Pipestone, and the Keepers.
Standing Eagle's apprentice verified what I had
been told.....they came all the way out to the
Westcoast to see for themselves the Cannunpa,
and they were satisfied it is as I say...the
President of Keepers went one step further,
and I am so glad he did...he went around to all
the old carvers still working the quarry...and
asked about Martha's Cannunpa design, and what
they knew to be the truth about the Buffalo Calf
Pipe...he was sent a packet from a very old
Elder carver...in the packet was Wilbur A.
Riegert's book with the same information. This
is how the medicine works, eh? Had I not a been
heyoka...and did the opposite, by taking the
Cannunpa out to breathe.....I'd never have
learned what I have as far as the authenticity of
my research....and the contradiction of what has
transpired since Martha passed the Cannunpa to
Andrew Dupris.
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Standing
Eagle
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This
picture was painted by Charles Bird King, 1824.
Sleepy Eyes (Eshtahumbah) was born near
present-day Mankata, Minnesota, and died at
Roberts Couty, South Dakota.
Sometimes given as a Warrior and sometimes as a
Chief, Sleepy Eyes was a member of the 1824
Sioux delegation to Washington led by Chief
Little Crow. His name can be found on the
Prairie du Chien treaties of 19 August 1825 and
15 July 1830 and the 30 November 1836 St. Peters
Treaty.
Born in 1780 at Swan Lake in Nicollet County,
Chief Sleepy Eyes (ish-Tak-Ha-Ba) was said to be
a kind and friendly person, large, muscular, six
feet two inches tall.
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- JL:
What are these 7 council fires?

- LBW: The Seven
Council Fires would be of the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota,
the Council Stones represent this
governing body that was in place until
Chief Sleepy Eye died without a successor
during the Indians Wars. It was
never reestablished because of the
genocide occurring...it was Fools Crows
dream to reestablish it to govern the use
of the Cannunpa Wakan...hence the 14
buffalo calf pipes Fools Crow commissioned
Standing Eagle to make....one for a man
and one for a woman of each of the
Seven, under the banner of the Seven,
- there are 32
sub-bands. It would be the responsibility
of the 14, appointed by their commitment
to community service and lifestyle, to
attend to the needs and concerns of the 32
sub-bands.
It
would be the democratic process we had in
ancient times...like when the Cannunpa came
to the people.
- JL:
Going back to what you said earlier about
sacred ceremonies and money. Why shouldn't a
modern day medicine man/woman, or a keeper
of the original sacred pipe, charge $10,000,
or 150 per head, for conducting these sacred
pipe ceremonies?
LBW: It comes from the Creator.....these
ceremonies and teachings, he did not charge
us...but he did leave instruction on how we
were to teach others....and that did not
include charging....
It is ok to take care of the spiritual
persons travel expenses, associated with his
accepting your filled Cannunpa, for a
healing....
The other, charging 10,000, should be
associated with a speaking engagement, not
ceremony....but they've mixed it all up, and
together. There are real medicine people,
who will do nothing like that...like Pete
Catches Jr....he is the real deal, and
Godfrey Chipps was recognized by Lame Deer,
as having the ability....there is a huge
difference between education and
exploitation....
- JL:
Has
your speaking out now have something to do
with the fulfillment of the 7th Generation
Prophecy?
- LBW:
This is the feeling of those who write me, I
feel we have a wonderful opportunity to
embrace one another through the teachings
WBCPW brought to us, with the Cannunpa Wakan.
I don't want just a figure head,
representing what it used to mean.....I want
the power of the Cannunpa used for the good
of mankind and Mother Earth....we need to
make a decision as people, if we want a
future for our children...because it isn't
looking too good for them. Money is the
reason....we are killing ourselves over our
desire for material wealth. We are allowing
someone outside ourselves....to decide what
is important for us as people...we can't eat
money, we can't breath money....we can't
drink money, period. We need to change how
we think, and how we create our reality....
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JL: What
are your thoughts on the recent birth of the
white Buffalo calf and what does this mean to
you as keeper of the Cannunpa?
LBW:
There has been many white buffalos born since
the birth of Miracle....I agree with David
Swallow Jr....we are being given a second
chance.....and if we unite collectively in
purpose and intent, following the Teachings
WBCPW brought to us, and we use the Cannunpa as
instructed, and we acknowledge
responsibility for our desire for money over the
Creator's will...and do something about it
now...we may change the course of events that
threaten Mother Earth. Every person who carries
a Cannunpa should be filling that Cannunpa for
the illness that Mother Earth is
enduring....when she suffers, we suffer....we
and it, is all connected...if something is lost
though our thoughtlessness, and we create an
imbalance....there is an imbalance in all
things....and we are there now.
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JL:
What do you think is the solution to all this
cannunpa controversy and conflict?
LBW:
Look at this.....
Proclamation
Regarding The Keeping of The Sacred Pipe
Whereas, a meeting was convened by the Sicangu
Lakota Grass Roots Oyate on October 21st,
2006, on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe Reservation
in South Central South Dakota, whereby
approximately 100 people were in attendance
from the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota Oyate which
included Naca Itahcan Ominiciye, Traditional
Chiefs and Headsmen, Treaty councils, Tetuwan
Sioux Nation Treaty Council, Spiritual leaders
and other organizations and lineal descendants
of our chiefs, elders and First Ladies of our
Nation,
Whereas, it was demonstrated at that meeting
that the current keeper(s) of the Sacred White
Buffalo Calf Pipe have used it as a
fund-raising tool for personal causes and
financial gain,
Whereas, it was demonstrated that the Sacred
White Buffalo Calf Pipe which was given to the
People as an instrument of peace, healing and
understanding, has been used instead to
promote the interests of the keeper(s) without
regard for the People,
Whereas, the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe
has been kept secret and not used in public
Sacred ceremony for the benefit of the People
as it was intended and has traditionally been
employed since it was entrusted to the People,
Whereas, the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe
has been employed by the keeper(s) as a symbol
of authority for pronouncements and activities
which have caused strife among the People, man
against man, man against woman, woman against
woman, and woman against man, against to the
teachings of The White Buffalo Calf Woman and
the Sacred purposes of the Sacred White
Buffalo Calf Pipe, and
Whereas, it has been and is amply demonstrated
that only continued controversy, strife and
ill feelings will accrue if the current
holder(s) of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf
Pipe continue to carry the Sacred White
Buffalo Calf Pipe,
Be it Resolved, that the holder(s) of the
Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe be apprised
that the People no longer wish the Sacred
White Buffalo Calf Pipe to be carried in this
way, disrespectful to the Sacred White Buffalo
Calf Pipe, the ways of the Lakota, Dakota
Nakota Oyate, and the right principles and
laws taught and respected by the People, and
Be it further Resolved, that it is the desire,
will and instruction of the People that a new
holder be chosen to carry the Sacred White
Buffalo Calf Pipe who will be respectful of
it, its purposes, uses and intents, reflecting
the ways of the Lakota, Dakota Nakota Oyate in
a good way without any hint of disrespect, and
free from personal financial or other interest
save dedication to right keeping, and
Be it further Resolved, that is shall be the
duty of the Naca Itahcan Ominiciye,
Traditional Chiefs and Headsmen, Treaty
councils, Tetuwan Sioux Nation Treaty Council,
Spiritual leaders and other organizations and
lineal descendants of our chiefs, elders and
First Ladies of our Nation, to choose a
suitable keeper to ensure the Sacred White
Buffalo Calf Pipe is carried in the right way,
accessible to the People and prominently used
in Sacred Ceremony, as intended and instructed
by the While Buffalo Calf Woman, and
Be it further Resolved that should the Naca
Itahcan Ominiciye, Traditional Chiefs and
Headsmen, Treaty councils, Tetuwan Sioux
Nation Treaty Council, Spiritual leaders and
other organizations and lineal descendants of
our chiefs, elders and First Ladies of our
Nation, meeting on the Rosebud Sioux Tribe
Reservation in South Central South Dakota,
choose to not take action by a designated
date, or by choosing an interim keeper of the
Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe until the
matter is finally decided, that it shall be
the right and duty of the Lakota, Dakota,
Nakota Oyate, including Spiritual leaders and
other organizations and lineal descendants of
our chiefs, elders and First Ladies of our
Nation, Ehankehan omniciye kte lo, meeting in
traditional way, to settle the issue for the
seven Counci l Fires of the People and present
themselves for keeping the Sacred White
Buffalo Calf Pipe, taking physical custody of
the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe and
ensuring it is kept in the right way.
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